I was watching TV with my older brother Dan (I am 18, he is 22), while he was home from grad school; I complained that I didn't know how to get more sex from the girls I dated. He agreed that girls tend to be cautious about allowing sex, for a bunch of reasons.
He explained, "if a girl learns how to masturbate and gets good at it, it is more pleasure for her than having some clumsy guy use her, especially if all he does is fuck her in ways that don't give her as much pleasure as masturbation would."
"If a girl or woman truly "loves sex" with a male, she will tend to be fully occupied once guys learn about her readiness to "give out". A lot of what is said about girls in school is simply fabricated gossip, based on jealousy or imagination or both. Guys will brag about having sex with a girl who refused to even bestow a goodnight hug on him."
I didn't say anything about his conclusion, but did ask about female masturbation. I didn't realize that a lot of girls get very good at masturbating, which they learn at an early age from other girls or teach themselves if they wait until hormones surge.
That makes perfect sense, and it also makes sense that they would not brag about it to me. Or even admit it if I were crass enough to ask.
Then my brother said, "I assumed that once you were 18 last month, you would be having sex with mom. Once I was 18, I had sex with her almost every day until I got a regular girlfriend. Even since then I have sex with mom when it is convenient and nobody else is around. I love it and I have to believe she does also!"
I exclaimed: "WHAT? Wouldn't she get upset and maybe tell dad?"
"She never told him about me! She seems to love having me hug her, kiss her, touch her and fuck her... but she doesn't really talk about it. In fact, she never says a single word about the sex or touching. When it comes to sex she is VERY passive, almost like a robot or someone who has been hypnotized? She would probably be like that with you also. She has a very nice body and her body responds in amazing ways, but you need to actually try it and I'm sure you will love her every bit as much as I do."
I take my time and she does react in ways that suggest pleasure, but she is VERY passive. Even so, I am pretty sure she usually has an orgasm... but she will not talk about it. When I have tried to talk about anything sexual, before or after or during, it is as if she was a deaf mute. I can tell her to spread her legs and she spreads them... tell her to suck my cock and she sucks it... but she just won't talk about it with me... not before, not during and not after. It sometimes seems like it had never really happened, not ever, even though I either got a blow job or fucked her almost every day I was home after I was 18. It didn't start until I was 18 because that would have been illegal, she could have been jailed for fucking a child."
I already loved my mom plenty, and already knew she was a wonderful person and already knew she had a very sexy body for an older woman. I was confused. I sort of knew that having sex with my mother would be considered "wrong"- and my dad would probably beat the shit out of me if he found out... and I also realized that MAYBE (just maybe) my brother was "putting me on" - to get me to embarrass myself by making a move on mom.
I did a quick internet search and discovered that incest between consenting adults, even CLOSE genetic relatives, even parent-child IS LEGAL in New Jersey and we have always lived in NJ. My mom was out working in the kitchen, so I decided to call his bluff while he was home, just in case he was "jerking my chain."
"OK, I would love to have sex with her, right after YOU prove to me that she has sex with you any time you want it. I will watch to see how you get her to cooperate... then when you are done, I will do the exact same thing you did."
He laughs and said, "I need to save myself for Gina tonight... but I will get her started and watch so I can TELL you exactly what to do." It will be sort of strange, like she is in a hypnotic trance- but pay attention, she really loves sex if you do it right. She may not be saying anything, but she can tell if you LOVE her and want to give her pleasure, or if you are just USING her for your own pleasure."
He went on to explain that if I just started kissing and hugging mom, she would not resist... or would not resist much. She would NOT SAY ANYTHING, but she might pull away some, or even push me away. But would not do more than that and if I persisted, she would cease all resistance and just "enjoy". Even if I couldn't make the experience enjoyable for her, she would tolerate without resistance if I did not hurt her, even if I was not very attentive to her pleasure.
"She will know you are inexperienced and will try to help you in subtle ways, but she will not tell you what to do, And she WILL stop you if you are hurting her."
He said the same attitude toward hugs and kisses was true for touching her body, removing her clothes, sticking his cock in her mouth, telling her to change position, and fucking her. He said that if he told her to get on his cock and ride it, she would not say yes, no, nor maybe. She would say NOTHING, but would do it!
If his cock was there to sit on, she would get on his cock and ride it and seemed to find ways to make sure she DOES enjoy it.
"If she is riding your cock "cowgirl", you can tell her to turn around and she will understand what you said and she will do it. IF she doesn't understand, you can probably just explain it by moving her into the position you want. If she doesn't do it the first time you tell her, just keep repeating the physical activity or the command."
I challenged Dan by asking: "So if I pulled off her panties and started kissing her cunt she would not say NO, she would not say YES, she would just allow me to do that?"
"Yup, absolutely.. and she always seems to enjoy it a lot when I do that if I take time and pay attention to what she likes most. I don't think dad does much for her in terms of "her pleasure". He fucks her and sometimes she comes, but he is really fast and finishes in a minute or two. I have watched them and it is like nothing happens for her. She resumes whatever she was doing after putting on her clothes if they were removed. But you know she wears a loose skirt, and you should also know that she often doesn't wear panties - I think she knows her scent will turn me on faster that way."
"Panties or not, you can just go reach up and finger her cunt and she will not say a word. I am pretty sure she likes it, but she has never said anything about it. If she is on her period, she will have a pad, not a tampon... but if you move the pad and don't mind the bloody mess...you can still fuck her, even during her period."
"Is she like that with just anyone? or only people she loves like family?"
"I don't know for sure, I have never seen her with anyone else, but I sort of suspect that anyone who is bold enough to risk rejection can have whatever he wants, even if she does not enjoy it. I don't think she would allow anyone to HURT her, but I'm not sure because I have never tried that."
I had a plan: "OK, it won't spoil your evening with Gina if you do the oral sex thing now, and just stop and I will follow every move you make in the order you make them."
We went into the kitchen where she seemed to be getting food ready for dinner. He hugged her from behind and she kept working. He reached around her and squeezed both her breasts and ... she jiggled a little but didn't pull away or say anything. He knelt down and reached up under her clothes and she made a sort of sound, but she didn't actually say anything and didn't try to move away. He then pulled down her panties and pushed at one of her legs, then the other, to get her to lift that foot as he removed her panties and gave them to me.
Out loud, so mom could hear what he said, he told me: "Smell these, she has a wonderful scent. In fact maybe you should crawl over there and get your head up under her skirt and lick her some. She can reach around you to the sink. Go for it!"
By now I was quite excited- I did LOVE my mom and had always thought about how sexy she looked... and so far her reactions seemed to prove that everything he had said was totally TRUE. I really wanted to do what my brother just did and then do what he said he had been doing for a couple of years! And even if it was some kind of trick to make fun of me- it seemed like I would enjoy that kind of trick!! So far there was no reason to doubt anything Dan had told me.
But just in case he was spoofing me, I said, "I do believe you, but I'm sure you can understand why I want to be CERTAIN... so maybe you could finger her and have her suck your cock. That won't spoil you for your girlfriend, will it?"
"No. And I am impressed that you are so cautious. But I also want you and mom to enjoy each other. Watch and learn little brother."
What was crazy was that she could hear all of our discussion and had nothing to say about any of it!!
Mom had resumed doing something to prepare the evening meal. She did look around briefly but didn't say anything. He walked over behind her at the sink and put his arms around her and hugged her again, saying "I love you so much, Mom...you are the very best. and the sexiest woman I know".
She didn't say anything- not "thank you", not anything. Nor did she compliment him, she was silent He kissed her neck and reached around to cup her breasts, and as before, she said nothing and did not pull away. He reached under her blouse and undid her bra so he could play with her nipples and then expose her breasts for me to see - she does have beautiful breasts and I really really wanted to go over and play with them and kiss them and maybe suck on her nipples.